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The Western Conference Champions Were NOT Handed Anything

Even this guy, who had his name on the Cup three times and won the last two, was better than he’s ever been before. (Photo Credit: Photographer Brandon Andreasen)

Tonight the Golden Knights will hit the ice as the home team in Game 1 of the Stanley Cup Final. There’s a narrative around this expansion team that they were gifted the success they are having. We’re here to show you how ridiculous that is from every angle we can.


Prior to the season beginning, we scoured the Internet to find the most optimistic predictions for the Golden Knights in their inagural season. Most predicted Vegas to be the doormat of the NHL (see this, this, this, or this), but there was one person, or really a computer, that claimed the Golden Knights might not be too bad…

Make no mistake, the Vegas Golden Knights will probably be bad, very bad even, but the degree of badness might have been oversold. -Dom Luszcyszyn, The Athletic

Dom’s computer gave the Golden Knights an 18% chance of making the playoffs and projected them at around 83 points. Believe me when I tell you, this was a very good outlook for Vegas comparatively.


On August 7th we made a chart of what the Golden Knights would look like if every single player on the roster had a career year in scoring. When we added it all up, the Golden Knights came away with 243 goals, which would have been good for 10th in the NHL in 2016-17. The point of the exercise was to show that it’s going to take the best out of every single player for them to even be competitive.

243 goals, if every guy has the best offensive year of his life. The Golden Knights scored 272.


The NHL put out a series of graphics to show how unbelievable the Golden Knights season was. I’ll let them speak for themselves.


Friend of the site and former Guest Post author Kevin Horton wrote up this breakdown showing where every player played on their old teams last season.

This was not a collection of previous All Stars.


Reilly Smith
1st line

6th in scoring for the Panthers in 18:21 minutes per games, which was the most among their wingers. So I’ll call him a 1st liner. Florida fans may argue he was really more of a 2nd liner but I’m not 100% sure.

James Neal
1st line

Had 41 points for Nashville and was 3rd among forwards with an ATOI of 17:42.

David Perron
2nd line

Had 46 points for the Blues with an ATOI of 17:18. Ranked 6th in ATOI among STL forwards

Jonathan Marchessault
2nd line

Was 3rd in Florida in scoring and led them with 30 goals even though they were technically playing him for basically 3rd line minutes (16:55)the whole season. But I’ll call him a 2nd liner here just for the benefit of the doubt.

Cody Eakin
2nd line

Cody Eakin was 3rd among Dallas forwards in minutes played but I believe he was mostly utilized as a 2nd/3rd line center and on the PK. He only had 12 points in 60 games for the Stars and it may be more appropriate to call him a 3rd liner.

William Karlsson
3rd line

Had 25 points for Columbus with an ATOI of13:23. Ranked 9th in ATOI among CBJ forwards.

Erik Haula
3rd line

Was 10th in minutes among MIN forwards with an ATOI of 13:49 and had 26 points.

Oscar Lindberg
4th liner

20 pts. In 10:50 of ice time

Pierre-Edouard Bellemare
4th line

Average 12:58 of ice time and scored 8 points in 82 games.

William Carrier
4th line

Had an ATOI of 9:00 minutes in 41 games for Buffalo and had 8 points.

Alex Tuch

Got in 6 games for the Wild last season and didn’t score with an ATOI of 10:42

Brendan Leipsic

Played 6 games total for Toronto the previous season

Tomas Nosek

Played a total of 17 games in Detroit in the previous two season


Nate Schmidt
3rd pairing

Played 60 games and was basically replaced by Kevin Shattenkirk at the trade deadline for Washington. Averaged 15:29 per game in ice time which was 6th amongst the D-men. Had 17 points on the season. Broke back into the line up for 11 of the 13 playoff games and was usually 5th or 6th in ice time as Washington elected to go with 7 defensemen for some games.

Brayden McNabb
3rd pairing

Played 49 games for the LA Kings and was 5th in ATOI among Kings defensemen who played over 41 games. Had 4 points the whole season.

Deryk Engelland
3rd pairing

Was sixth in minutes played among the Calgary defense corps. Had 16 points on the season.

Colin Miller
3rd pairing

Played 61 games for the Bruins and averaged 15:49 on the ice. Sixth among defensemen with at least 41 games. Had 13 points.

Jon Merrill
3rd pairing

Played 51 games for the Devils and averaged 18:34 in ice time. Both numbers would rank 6th amongst NJD defensemen

Luca Sbisa
3rd pairing

Played all 82 games for Vancouver and had 13 points with an 18:59 ATOI which was 5th among Canuck’s D-men with at least 41 games. Maybe the closest thing Vegas got to a 2nd pairing D-man and he played the least amount of games compared to everyone on this list.

Brad Hunt

Played 12 games for Nashville and St. Louis during the season and had 6 points with 14:30 ATOI

Shea Theodore

Played a combined 53 games in two seasons for Anaheim and 20 playoff games. Had 25 points in those 73 combined games. When he was in the line up he was playing 3rd line minutes.

There are hundreds of other ways to look at this, but the fact remains, the Golden Knights are an incredible story of overachieving expectations and nothing else. $500 million did not buy a Stanley Cup Final apperance, unbelievable scouting, incredible coaching, and a group of players that all played the best hockey of their lives did.


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  1. brian

    wow…..holy crap. what a detailed breakdown. great job, as always—thx !!


  2. MikeinHenderson

    Great write-up as usual, Ken. The revisionist history that people are rumbling about is totally ridiculous. Would anyone have said that this team underachieved with this roster if they finished the year with around 70 points? The answer is no. Most experts knew they were putting a team together for the future and collecting draft picks. The coach and the players had other ideas. #Cupin1

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