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SinBin.vegas Podcast #241: Death Of Expansion VGK

After the departures of Marc-Andre Fleury and Ryan Reaves, we dig into why fans feel so hurt. The general premise is that VGK fans wanted something different than the front office and we wonder if the front office should be to blame for it. Hosted by Ken Boehlke and Jason Pothier.

  • Why VGK fans feel so hurt
  • Friedman on Fleury
  • What if they had “let it run its course?”
  • Considering what makes them better now
  • Right front office moving forward?

And much more…

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34 Comments

  1. THE hockey GOD

    fans are not “feeling hurt”, only the ones known as snowflakes with their perpetual whiny cry babies moaning and bitching. AKA nattering know nothing “naboobs” of negativity. Flegling fan base.

    Paulie knows it.

  2. Honnnybunnny

    So hypothetical question, what would have happened if we kept all the misfits for year yet three and four?

  3. Honnnybunnny

    As crazy as it sounds, I think I’d rather lose with the misfits than win a cup with all these strangers.

    • great8

      tell me you’ve never watched sports before without telling me you’ve never watched sports before

  4. Michael

    I keep hearing all this disloyalty made Vegas better.

    Year 1: Stanley Cup Finals
    Year 2: Screwed out of playoff run

    In comes PDB

    Year 3: Conference Finals
    Year 4: Conference Finals

    Not that getting to final four is anything to be ashamed of, but I am not seeing a massive jump to justify cutting ties with Gallant, Nate, Haula etc.

    • THE hockey GOD

      disloyalty ??? that is mob media hyper ventilation term to get the fans all riled up.

      it’s a sports team, and players /coaches get paid to perform, just like in every other non government (non socialist) environment in our society. Teams move personnel on a regular basis. That is not unusual , but a normal course of doing business.

      Don’t believe the mob media disinformation nor loser agents tweets and posts. They know nothing of real world.

      • Michael Shevlane

        It’s not what you do, it’s how you do it.

        • Stephanie

          Perfect

        • THE hockey GOD

          how they did it was fine, don’t believe the lying media. You have rocks for brains if you think these people didn’t know they were being fired or being traded ahead of time.

          don’t believe they lying mob media hype, or back stabbing agent(s).

    • Tyler Durden

      “Year 2: Screwed out of playoff run”
      Explain giving up huge lead.
      Who screwed them?

      • Michael Shevlane

        Were you in a coma that postseason? The refs!

        • Keith Anderson

          Gallant screwed them too by not calling a time-out and slowing down the madness

  5. Bruce

    Vegas knights were special because players like James Neale who had been traded many times despite good seasons became leaders in Vegas and Gallant used his talents wisely to help all players reach their full potential , George McPhee will never appreciate character players when their playing their hearts out for the team
    It’s tragic to see such a special group discarded .. if Neale would have been kept for year 2 Vegas would have made a long playoff run … he should have been made captain

  6. Ulf

    Good podcast, one inaccuracy. Vegas was not the first expansion team to make it to the Cup finals.
    This sport has over a century of history; the St.Louis Blues were awarded a franchise in the first major expansion in 1967, and made the Cup finals in their first year, losing to the Canadiens.
    Not only that, but the Blues got to the finals in years 2 and3 of their existence too, which despite a smaller number of teams in the league is a bigger accomplishment.
    You could also make arguments for one-and -two shot teams back in the 1910s and 20s but that’s a different thing.

    • THE hockey GOD

      correct, however, anyone from Blues division would have been first team because they were all expansion teams. Not much of feat on comparable level to what the Knights did. The blues lost 4 to nothing.

      apples and oranges.

      The real stanley cup final that year was the prior series in which montreal won and beat the up and coming bruins in six game series.

  7. THE hockey GOD

    correct, however, anyone from Blues division would have been first team because they were all expansion teams. Not much of feat on comparable level to what the Knights did. The blues lost 4 to nothing.

    apples and oranges.

    The real stanley cup final that year was the prior series in which montreal won and beat the up and coming bruins in six game series.

    • Ulf

      My point is speaking in absolutes like “no expansion team has been as good as VGK” isn’t accurate and could use a healthy dose of historical reference and a wider view to what other teams have accomplished – something the dedicated writers/creators of this site are generally ok at, and entertaining to boot. I get the desire to make this a real fan site but sometimes the blinders get put on all the way to the comment section.

  8. DOC (Go Knights Go)

    The “misfits were all “strangers” in Vegas prior to season one.

    Trades are an important part of all pro sports. How well those trades work out is another matter. But, does anyone really believe the management of pro teams aren’t trying to improve their teams?

    It’s time to quit living in year one.

    • THE hockey GOD

      Strangers in the night
      Exchanging glances
      Wandering in the night
      What were the chances
      We’d be sharing love
      Before the night was through?
      Something in your eyes
      Was so inviting
      Something in your smile
      Was so exciting
      Something in my heart told me I must have you
      Strangers in the night, two lonely people
      We were strangers in the night
      Up to the moment when we said our first hello
      Little did we know
      Love was just a glance away, a warm embracing dance away
      And ever since that night
      We’ve been together
      Lovers at first sight
      In love forever
      It turned out so right
      For strangers in the night
      Love was just a glance away, a warm embracing dance away
      Ever since that night
      We’ve been together
      Lovers at first sight
      In love forever
      It turned out so right
      For strangers in the night
      Doo-bee-doo-bee-doo
      Doo-doo-dee-dah
      Dah-dah-dah-dah-dah, ya-ya-ya

    • THE hockey GOD

      Strangers in the night
      Exchanging glances
      Wandering in the night
      What were the chances
      We’d be sharing love
      Before the night was through?
      Something in your eyes
      Was so inviting
      Something in your smile
      Was so exciting
      Something in my heart told me I must have you
      Strangers in the night, two lonely people
      We were strangers in the night
      Up to the moment when we said our first hello
      Little did we know
      Love was just a glance away, a warm embracing dance away
      And ever since that night
      We’ve been together
      Lovers at first sight
      In love forever
      It turned out so right
      For strangers in the night
      Love was just a glance away, a warm embracing dance away
      Ever since that night
      We’ve been together
      Lovers at first sight
      In love forever
      It turned out so right
      For strangers in the night
      Doo-bee-doo-bee-doo
      Doo-doo-dee-dah
      Dah-dah-dah-dah-dah, ya-ya-ya

  9. Tim

    Ken I recall a while back you mentioned the Knights didn’t resign David Perron because they thought he had a neck issue fast forward 3 years and he’s averaged close to 60 points a year for St. Louis. Now we continually hear how we may be in on Jack Eichel and it just doesn’t make sense. Here’s a guy who is going to have an artificial disk fused to his spine with the hope that it not only works but he’ll be able to take a beating throughout the coarse of a season. He may get slammed one time against the boards and the party’s over. I just can’t believe were even in the conversation. Buffalo can ask what they want but they have a situation where I believe he’s not tradable unless your into setting your team back a few years.

  10. No Eichel, no !!

  11. Yes it is very hurtful when a player has voiced many times that this where he wants to play and the upper management just ignored fleury ‘s request. I was was vey shocked and disappointed that he and Reaves were gone. Both were a fan favorite. This is has been very special to Las Vegas on and off the ice .

    • Stephanie

      Its defintely not the same

    • THE hockey GOD

      MAF blew it, paying him seven million a year. Didn’t get the job done. Not once, but repeatedly, as one person thinks it “over an era”. HE had more than one chance. Even though a few short seasons don’t represent an era. That is how demented this fan base is. Best to cut losses and move ahead. Otherwise the organization would get NOTHING at the end of his “many times” and “ignored”. That is what you want ? Holding a stick in your hand, with a smore? At least they got something by dumping his loser butt , saving cap space, and getting more players.

      • He was the reason they got were they did.
        It was the other players to do their job, they didn’t. Ask Mark Stone. Here’s the One that kept saying, without Fleury, they wouldn’t have gotten s far as they did.
        You and the team management blew it.

  12. Jason and Ken – particularly Jason on the value of Petro – don’t care how he plays all year as long as he is good in play-off. What kind of rational is that your paying this guy 8.8 mil/yr and they may not even make the play-off which would be poetic justice under the situations you guys discussed. Talk about a negative ROI – you can’t stay in business with that thinking. Mgt has been blinded by the light believing tey can buy their way to the CUP which isn’t and doesn’t happen. Year one you referred will never happen again as all the events etc lined -up to make the entire thing come together in unbelievable fashion and did result in unrealistic expectations of the fans.

  13. Jill

    I love VGK, but I will never buy another jersey. I spend a couple of hundred on player gear just to have them traded. Nope, not going to happen again.

    • THE hockey GOD

      how about a hat?
      a hot dog?
      VGK pizza ?
      Beer ?

      Don’t believe all the crap from mob media and back stabbing agents. That is what they do, because they are idiots and don’t know any better. Shit stirrers. Liars.

  14. Stephanie

    I dont get where having Martin Jones as a goalie , qualifies DeBoer as a damn expert .he should be more worried about their garbage offensive game plan and garbarge pply is

  15. Craig K

    I’m a VGK fan, living in Minnesota.
    Here’s my perspective on the VGK fan-base…

    Here in Minnesota, fans grew up playing hockey. They go to Wild games because it is the highest form of their sport in town. I would estimate that less than 50% of the fans here could name the majority of their team’s players on the ice. They are there because they want to see a high-level hockey game.

    In Vegas, we fell in love with the players, the personalities, the people, before the first puck ever dropped. Fans weren’t attending games because they wanted to see hockey, they were attending to see a show and the stars of that show whom they grew attached to. I would guess at the end of year 1 that 90% of the VGK fans in T-Mobile on any night could name every player up and down the roster. It was about the players, the game was secondary.

    Now, the “cast” of the show is changing, much like a television program. None of the original cast of Law and Order or ER (yeah I’m old) made it through every season of those shows. People tuned out when their favorite characters left. MAF leaving is like Charlie Sheen getting fired from Two and a Half Men. Their ratings dropped from 15M to 8M overnight and loyal fans were pissed.

    VGK fans still see the game as entertainment, rather than “the game.” That’s very OK, however as a result the emotional attachment with be drastically higher with the cast than other teams who are looking at it as “sport.”

    I love the VGK product, the cast changes are frustrating (except dumping 75) but I can understand the hockey sense.

    Keep up the great work!

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