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Golden Knights Have Been Unlucky In Finishing Rebound Chances

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Variance is a huge part of the game of hockey. It’s common for a team to have a week’s worth of games where they can’t buy a goal and then follow it up with a week where everything goes in.

One such place where variance can be extremely volatile from one game to the next is when examining rebounds. This season the Golden Knights lead the NHL in rebound shots with 59. They’ve allowed the 9th most in the league with 51. However, Vegas has scored just three goals on their 59 rebound shots while allowing six on the 51 they’ve given up. These numbers currently have the Golden Knights in the bottom five in the league for the fewest percentage of goals scored by rebound and the highest percentage of goals allowed.

It could be a good example of something that is likely to regress to the mean as the season goes on.

That being said, these numbers aren’t new for the Golden Knights. In their six completed seasons, Vegas has finished in the top five in rebound shots four times, but have only finished in the top five in rebound goals once. Also, Vegas has been in the bottom five for the highest percentage of goals allowed from rebounds in three of the six years.

Here are all the rebound shot numbers including ranks for that particular season.

ShotsShots AgainstGoalsGoals Against% of Goals For% of Goals Against
23-2459 (1st)51 (23rd)3 (26th)6 (16th)7.69% (27th)19.35% (26th)
22-23187 (12th)187 (20th)34 (4th)26 (18th)18.18% (7th)16.25% (22nd)
21-22179 (4th)157 (18th)24 (19th)32 (28th)13.11% (23rd)19.28% (29th)
20-21118 (4th)121 (30th)23 (3rd)24 (28th)17.04% (13th)24.74% (31st)
19-20165 (3rd)139 (23rd)25 (14th)30 (29th)16.45% (13th)20.69% (30th)
18-19182 (3rd)146 (15th)30 (6th)28 (19th)17.24% (11th)17.24% (21st)
17-18132 (21st)137 (14th)30 (9th)16 (1st)17.14% (14th)10.19% (1st)
2023 Playoffs465010415.15%12.12%
2018 Playoffs3651357.50%18.52%

It’s a bit of an odd stat as the numbers don’t always line up as you’d expect. In 21-22, the Golden Knights were +22 in rebound shots yet -8 in goal differential. In 18-19, they were +36 in shots but just +2 in goals. 19-20 is the weirdest year with a +36 shot differential and saw VGK allow five more goals than they scored.

Where the regression seems inevitable though is in the percentage of goals scored from rebounds. VGK’s current 7.69% would be the lowest in team history by a wide margin. The previous low was 13.11% while the other five years all saw them over 16%. Vegas has finished in the top half of the league in five of their six seasons yet sit in 27th right now.

Finally, we can really see the impact of these numbers when looking at the playoffs last season. In their 22 playoff games, the Golden Knights were outshot on rebounds 50-46, but they went on to outscore their opponents 10-4. Just 12.12% of goals allowed by Vegas in the postseason en route to the Stanley Cup were on rebound goals. It’s the lowest number we’ve seen since the inaugural season team that finished the regular season at 10.19% (and that team was pretty effing great too).

The moral of the story here is that the Golden Knights have been quite unlucky so far with their finishing on rebound shots. Three goals on 59 rebound shots is by far the worst shooting percentage in the NHL and history tells us it will improve as the season progresses.

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24 Comments

  1. Pistol Pete

    I’m pretty enthralled by the prospect of the VGK acquiring Patrick Kane. According to my calculations they’d have to waive Dorofeyev or Cotter either of whom would clear enough space to sign Kane for $1.5m to finish this season. Cotter has two more seasons after this one @ $775k vs. Dorofeyev just this season @$825k. Obviously Cotter would be a more attractive pickup with two more seasons locked in at entry level. I think Dorofeyev has a higher ceiling than Cotter, perhaps he would clear waivers, if not Denisenko and Brisson are waiting in the wings. Amadio-Karlsson-Kane would be a major upgrade assuming Kane recovers from his hip resurfacing procedure.

      • Emmanuel

        Why? Is that an upgrade?

        • Pistol Pete

          Assuming his recovery from the procedure is full I would predict even at his age his points production would easily eclipse Amadio and Cotter combined. Health permitting he should have 2-3 more decent years even if past his prime. Look at 39 year-old Joe Pavelski. Maybe not worth waving Dorofeyev to make the deal work. That is true.

      • Jim

        Backstrom of the Wash Caps had the same surgery, and he was never the same again, and he now is sitting home contemplating retirement.

        also, Kane was mediocre in his short stint with NYR last season. Points mean nothing, wins mean everything. iow, checking is most important in the playoffs and Kane is not defensively reliable. You can make a 200 foot player out of Eichel, but not Kane, that is obvious watching him for the last 18 years.

        just 2 things to consider besides the obvious cap and young player issues involved.

    • TS

      Pp, at 35, isn’t Kane nearly beyond his shelf life as a player? Short- term aquisition ONLY?

      • Pistol Pete

        If you are willing to risk waiving Dorofeyev (for example) to sign Kane you would do the deal. Assuming Kane’s hip is fully recovered he should produce points for another 2-3 years, more than Amadio and Cotter combined I would say (he is a north of career point a game). Amadio-Karlsson-Kane…a healthy Kane turns that into an awesome 3rd line!

  2. Ken – Your article should be named – lack of net presence – that is how rebounds turn into goals. I great deal of o – zone time for Vegas is skating around, passing the puck, a shot on goal with no one available to hammer in the rebound then heading for the bench or retreat to n-zone and d- zone. Your playoff numbers pretty well support that 2023 vs 2018.

    • ThG

      too much sin reigned over the earth, satan has had a domain not strong enough that God couldn’t contain him or pinch him in. Some people think fallen angels are aliens.
      Hard to to put rebound in when your forwards are being pounded like sin into the ground as if during antediluvian time frame.

      Satan has access to heaven, Jesus had to fight his way when he took the prize to throne of God, but now God is redeemed, formed or taking shape. Now state is going to be set for the last battle. This is not symbol this is fact. One angel killed 187,000 of enemy. An Angel killed all first borne in Egypt in one night. Michael and his angels will fight Satan and his angels in great battle. Satan was “limited” by God. This is today’s message, muddled as it is.

      • ThG

        the subject is warfare

        In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a message was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The message was true, [a]but the appointed time was long; and he understood the message, and had understanding of the vision. 2 In those days I, Daniel, was mourning three full weeks. 3 I ate no [b]pleasant food, no meat or wine came into my mouth, nor did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

        4 Now on the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, that is, the [c]Tigris, 5 I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, a certain man clothed in linen, whose waist was girded with gold of Uphaz! 6 His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like torches of fire, his arms and feet like burnished bronze in color, and the sound of his words like the voice of a multitude.

        7 And I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, for the men who were with me did not see the vision; but a great terror fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. 8 Therefore I was left alone when I saw this great vision, and no strength remained in me; for my [d]vigor was turned to [e]frailty in me, and I retained no strength. 9 Yet I heard the sound of his words; and while I heard the sound of his words I was in a deep sleep on my face, with my face to the ground.

        Then he said to me, “Do not fear, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.”

        holy crap, a alien being. In Eastern Persian Kingdom, present day Syria.

        But the Prince of Persia withstood me for 120 days ,

        wow

        • ThG

          Next to Gabriel and Satan, Michael is probably the most famous angelic being in the Bible. And since we find angels so fascinating, there’s been lots and lots of talk about Michael through the centuries. He’s become such a legendary character, it’s often hard to discern whether what we’ve learned about Michael is from the Bible or elsewhere.

          We know that Michael is an archangel, but what does that mean? What has he accomplished, what are his responsibilities, and where does he fit into God’s heavenly host?
          michael-archangel-ethan-nicolle

          Artwork by one of my favorite cartoonists: Ethan Nicolle.

          Legend is interesting, but we need to know what the inspired Word of God says.
          7 biblical facts about the archangel Michael:
          1. Michael is the only one the Bible calls an archangel

          We’re told Michael’s title in Jude 9. The Greek word for “archangel” (archággelos) means “chief angel” or “chief messenger.” The word “archangel” isn’t use to describe him in the Old Testament, but another angel calls him one of the chief princes (Dan 10:13).

          Calling Michael “one of the chief princes” implies that Michael has peers. However, if there are any other archangels, the Bible doesn’t tell us who they are.
          2. Michael stands guard over Israel

          In Daniel’s last vision, an angel describes how the last days will play out for the Jews. It is at this time that Michael, “the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people will arise” (Dan 12:1). The angel also refers to Michael as Daniel’s prince (Dan 10:21). The Bible doesn’t say what “standing guard” entails, but it’s very clear that Michael has special responsibilities for Israel.
          3. Michael directly opposes Satan

          Jude mentions that Michael argues with Satan about the body of Moses (a nod to a Jewish tradition). Unfortunately, we’re not given any more information on what that argument was about. Jude does tell us that Michael wasn’t so bold as to pronounce a “railing judgment” (the Greek word for “railing” is often translated “blasphemous” or “defaming”) against the devil. What he does say is interesting enough to merit a fact to itself . . .
          4. Michael only says four words in the Bible

          Well, three Greek words that are often translated into four English words. In Jude 9, Michael says to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you!”
          5. Michael is a military commander of some angels

          In John’s apocalypse, he sees a great war in heaven: Michael and his angels vs. the dragon (Satan) and his angels. The devil and his forces are too weak to remain in heaven, however, and so they are all thrown down to earth (Rev 12:7–9).
          6. Michael battles the patron angels of other nations

          In Daniel chapter 10, the prophet fasts, humbling himself before God and praying for understanding regarding the Jews’ future. An angel finally appears to him 21 days later, and explains the delay: the “prince of Persia” had been opposing him the whole time, and it wasn’t until Michael relieved the angel that he could continue his trip to Daniel. The angel stays with Daniel long enough to give an outline of future events for the Jews, but must return to fighting the prince of Persia (and the prince of Greece will soon join the fight, too). Only Michael supports this angel against these forces (Dan 10:21).

          As it turns out, the Bible doesn’t say very much about Michael the archangel. Most of what we’ve heard is probably derived from extrabiblical sources. That might frustrate our curiosity—then again, God didn’t have to reveal anything about Michael, the existence of archangels, etc. But God has graciously given us a glimpse at behind-the-scenes actions and personalities in the spiritual realm.

          Still, angels are fascinating, and the mystery of Michael the archangel will probably give my imagination a lot of exercise for years to come.

          Want to know more? I’d suggest reading the book of Daniel—this book mentions Michael more than any other book of the Bible.

          There are forces at work in these last days. Michael has not yet been released to fight Satan.

          • ThG

            who was that messenger to the prophet Daniel mentioned above ?

            The angel Gabriel is a messenger who was entrusted to deliver several important messages on God’s behalf. Gabriel appears to at least three people in the Bible: first to the prophet Daniel (Daniel 8:16); next to the priest Zechariah to foretell and announce the miraculous birth of John the Baptist (Luke 1:19); and finally to the virgin Mary to tell her that she would conceive and bear a son (Luke 1:26–38). Gabriel’s name means “God is great,” and, as the angel of the annunciation, he is the one who revealed that the Savior was to be called “Jesus” (Luke 1:31).

            The first time we see Gabriel, he appears to Daniel after the prophet had a vision. Gabriel’s role is to explain the vision to Daniel (Daniel 8:16). Gabriel’s appearance was that of a man (Daniel 8:15; 9:21). When Gabriel visited Daniel a second time, he came to him “in swift flight at the time of the evening sacrifice” (Daniel 9:21). Gabriel’s “flight” might suggest wings, but wings are not mentioned. It is also clear that Gabriel’s appearance was rather terrifying, as Daniel fell on his face at the sight of him (Daniel 8:17) and was sick for days after his experience with the angel and the vision (Daniel 8:27).

            In Daniel 10 we see another interaction between the prophet and “one in the likeness of the children of men” (verse 16); however, no name is given to this messenger. The angel says he has come to help Daniel understand his vision, so it is very possible that this passage is also referring to the angel Gabriel. From the language in the passage, it is also possible that there are actually two angels with Daniel—one speaking to him and another strengthening him so that he can respond (Daniel 10:16, 18). The angel also refers to a battle occurring in the spiritual realms. This angel, who we can reasonably assume is Gabriel, and the angel Michael were apparently engaged in battle with a series of demonic kings and princes, including those called the prince or kings of Persia (verse 13) and the prince of Greece (verse 20).

            Gabriel says that he was sent from heaven in specific answer to Daniel’s prayer. Gabriel had left to bring the answer as soon as Daniel started praying (Daniel 10:12). But Gabriel ran into trouble on the way: “The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days” (Daniel 10:13) and actually kept him from coming to Daniel as quickly as he might have otherwise. Here we have a glimpse into the spiritual world and the battles taking place behind the scenes. The holy angels such as Gabriel are performing God’s will, but they are resisted by other spiritual beings who only want wickedness in the world.

            Gabriel’s message to the priest Zechariah, the father of John the Baptist, was delivered in the temple as Zechariah was ministering before the Lord. Gabriel appeared to the right of the altar of incense (Luke 1:11), a symbol of prayer, and told Zechariah that his prayers had been heard (verse 13). Zechariah’s barren wife, Elizabeth, was going to conceive and bear a son; this miraculous child was to be named John, and he would fulfill the prophecy of the coming of Elijah (verse 17; cf. Malachi 4:5). Gabriel’s message was met with disbelief, so Gabriel struck the doubting priest dumb until the day of the child’s circumcision (Luke 1:20, 59–64).

            Gabriel’s appearance to Mary was to announce the virgin birth of the Lord Jesus Christ. The mother of the Messiah was assured of her favor with God (Luke 1:30) and told that her Son would fulfill the Davidic Covenant: “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end” (verses 32–33). In response to Mary’s question about how this was to happen, since she was a virgin, the angel Gabriel said the conception would be the result of the Holy Spirit’s work in her, and therefore “the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God” (verse 35).

            In all three appearances, Gabriel was met with fear, and he had to begin his conversations with words of comfort and cheer for Daniel, Zechariah, and Mary. It is possible that Gabriel was also the angel that appeared to Joseph in Matthew 1:20, but this is not certain, since that angel is unnamed in Scripture. What we do know is that Gabriel is one of God’s good and holy angels. He has a favored position as an angel who “stands in the presence of God” (Luke 1:19), and he was selected to deliver important messages of God’s particular love and favor to individuals chosen to be part of God’s plan.

          • Jailbird

            Thg, the copy and paste dude. Must have a lonely life .

          • TS

            Holly shit, man!! If we want a sermon on Sunday, we’ll go to our OWN church! For God’s sake, Man, ENOUGH. STIFLE, EDITH!!

          • knights fan in minny

            more fucking bull shit from a nut job

        • Pik

          This is about hockey. Go to church if you
          Want to preach

  3. JV

    The the defense needs to do a better job of being in position and clearing the area near the net. They tend to drift away from the net front quite often. This is not something new for this season either.

    • Dodger Blue

      Apparently, the hockey god is not the problem, we are, and he is stooping to our level. Shame on all of us. At least that’s what HD biker said.

  4. TS

    Sidenote: Bravo to Buffalo for the comeback tonight–Tuch with the winning goal..fun game!

  5. Sorvino

    I am copying and pasting Alex’ post on November 21st. It is as follows…….

    Alex

    I will only post on hard core VGK and hockey topics here if the sermons and other political and religious posts stop. I will be waiting…it’s not a free speech matter..it’s a context and “time and place” matter….

    For those of you who think Alex is the problem consider that he took the mature route and extended the olive branch to the hockey god.

  6. Sorvino

    The politics and religion don’t belong here and nobody wants to see it posted.

    Everyone tries to enjoy this website but he doesn’t care.

    If he had a choice to stop that crap or potentially destroy this site by stubbornly posting things that don’t belong on this forum then he would choose option B.

    It’s complete selfishness.

    I own an electrical company but I am not going to tell you my life story on becoming an electrician.

    As someone who has republican / conservative beliefs I can still manage to have civil conversations with TS and Jailbird.

    Nobody cares that Melissa Scott made a living having sex with hundreds of men on camera and I’m sure that Alex would never have posted it if the hockey God just stuck to hockey on a hockey website.

    Just my opinion and some food for thought.

    • knights fan in minny

      save your breath it will not stop the king of the site who thinks he is enjoys being nauseating

    • TS

      Sorvino, beautifully said!! I, for one, have always gotten along with everyone! Btw: color of ANY kind should be totally irrelevant here– color of Party, or otherwise. It is incomprehensible to me that another person, a total stranger to others, can act in such hateful, angry ways. I believe we fans are good, decent, hockey- loving people, just trying to enjoy the comraderie of other fans. WHY would anyone want to sabotage THAT??
      GO KNIGHTS!!

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