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Decision In Goal Looms For Stanley Cup Champions

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Personally, I’m not ready to move past the fact that the Golden Knights are Stanley Cup Champions. I could continue talking about that every day until the puck drops next season (and even then I’d probably keep talking about it).

However, the reality of the NHL calendar is such that decisions about the team moving forward are going to have to be made, and made quickly.

The chief among those decisions for the Golden Knights comes between the pipes. After a season in which Vegas had to scramble before it even began to overcome the loss of Robin Lehner, to using five goalies in the regular season, to seeing Adin Hill throw his hat in the ring for Conn Smythe, the choice in net for VGK is not an easy one.

One thing is clear for the Golden Knights, they aren’t going to expect one goalie to shoulder the entire load moving forward.

I do believe you have to have a good stable of goaltenders. It’s really hard to rely on one guy. I think that model has changed over the last five or six years. The tandem approach is probably the best way to go. You’re going to have one guy that’s going to end up being your guy but he should play 50 games instead of 65. And the other guy has to be good and be ready to play. And you’ve got to have some guys to bring up from the AHL team when necessary. -George McPhee

So, with that in mind, the Golden Knights will enter this offseason looking to restock their stable of goalies and they have many different routes they can go.

The best news about the position though is they start with a perfect base. Logan Thompson remains under contract for the next two seasons with a salary just a smidge above the league minimum at $766k. Thompson’s All Star first half proved he’s perfectly capable to start in the NHL and will clearly be in Vegas’ plans for next season. His salary allows the Golden Knights to view him as the backup, even if that’s not ultimately what plays out.

That leaves the team with a decision on what to do with the other goaltender slot on the NHL roster.

To make that call, they’ll first have to decipher the code that is Robin Lehner. If he’s unable to perform physically, they will simply be able to shift his $5 million salary to LTIR, and we can move on. But, if he can play, and understanding his current life status, he’s going to want to, the Golden Knights will have to make a difficult call on what to do with him.

In a perfect world, he’s healthy and returns to being the goaltender they signed to a five-year deal a few seasons ago, but that feels awfully optimistic based on the severity of injuries that have kept him off the ice since April 2022.

A buyout, trade, or waivers are all options, and they each come with their own pitfalls. I’m sure we’ll dive into that much deeper if indeed the decision is made that he is not eligible for season-long LTIR.

Then there are the free agents. Laurent Brossoit and Adin Hill both performed admirably (that’s probably an understatement) in the postseason and each hit the open market on July 1st.

The question with each is, how much of the success was due to the ability of each goaltender and how much was because of Bruce Cassidy’s “goaltender friendly” system?

The system helped Tuukka Rask, Anton Khudobin, Swayman, Ullmark, so I do believe it will help goaltenders, but the goalie has to go in there and stop the puck. I just think it’s a system that shouldn’t be highly stressful night after night with high-danger chances. It doesn’t always work out that way but that’s how it’s designed to work. -Bruce Cassidy

The greater the belief in the system, the lesser the importance that will be placed on paying a goalie.

Obviously, after his incredible run, Adin Hill will be a hot commodity on the open market. While Vegas would clearly love to keep him, they are surely going to be careful not to overpay him. To a lesser extent, the same goes for Brossoit.

And then, there’s the last option.

The most important thing is that you have a team that plays well in front of these guys, protects them, and gives them a chance to be good goaltenders. That’s really what matters and this team did that. -McPhee

Relying on team strength could see the Golden Knights go in a completely new direction and allow both Hill and Brossoit to leave in free agency. They could go find the next Adin Hill or next Laurent Brossoit and put the faith in the team in front of the goaltender to prop him up like they did countless goalies this season.

The choices are going to be tough for the Vegas front office and those choices are days, not weeks, away from needing to be made.

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139 Comments

  1. TS

    MUST KEEP HILL. Find a way.

    • Carl

      100%!!!!!

      • Raul

        Lehnar has more off the ice issues than health issues and is nothing except a distraction and let’s face it never fit in with this team and was the old coach’s choice…he needs to go. It’s going to be toxic and a side show if he comes back.

        • LisaR

          I agree Lehner could mess up the chemistry this team has. He was always negative and that may be because of mental health issues but his many problems are a distraction and not what the team needs

      • Dan

        Bounce Lehner! The guy is having too many off ice issues! Keep Hill and Thompson!

    • Jeff

      Super easy decision for me…..
      Thompson
      Hill
      Paterra

      Let Lehner & Brossoit go.

    • Howard

      People still either have a math problem, or don’t understand The NHL has a hard cap. The team cannot afford what Hill will be offered in the open market, period. Also, still seems like Vegas fans aren’t learning the game and/or paying attention to where this article clearly and correctly points out that tender success here is more on Cassidy’s system, over pure talent. Front office here proved they’re smarter than us, and they’ll let Hill walk. Don’t like it? Go whine about the best front office in hockey being wrong, lol.

      • Richie-Rich

        I agree with Howard. Hill may indeed walk. He’s not a priority for the Knights. If Hill wants to stay in this system he’s not going to get an offer like he can from other clubs. Even with no income tax, it’s likely Hill is going to get paid elsewhere. I am sure this isn’t a top priority for the FO. The roster is overall in good shape for next year. Keep Barbashev if we can find the room. I view that as the only “want”. Smith for Barbshev? That’s the most likely scenario.

      • John Brown

        Available cap space left WITH Lehner’s $5,000,000 AAV is $3,462, 516 based on $83,500,000 2023-2024 Cap space maximum limit according to Cap Friendly.

        ALL the Unrestricted Free Agents of Howden, Barbashev, Brossoit, Hill, Patrick, Quick, Kessel and Blueger EQUALS $15,300,00 available cap space.

        That means we HAVE $18,762,516 TOTAL to sign who and when.

        $4,000,000/year for Barbashev for (3) years carries him ONE past Marchy’s UFA date.

        $4,000,000/yr for Hill or Brossoit for (4) years. Do they want to win another Cup or go for the money with a non Cup contender. The present theory is Colorado, Montreal, Boston, Avalanche, Oilers, Dallas, Florida and VGK are the front runners. NON of those 7 teams needs a 1A or 1B goalie. If neither stays, there are (10) UFA goalies ages 24-27 with $4,000,000 AAV and similar stats. They are NOT the only good $4,000,000 goalies out their on the market

        $2,500,000/yr for (3) years for Howden. Stephy/Stone think highly of him.

        You know have spent $10,250,000 of the $18,762, 516 and now have 2 very good young forwards and battle tested 1A/1B goalie for at least THREE years.

        The cap money spent for next year also includes Cotter, Thompson and Hutton already.

        Say good bye to Kessel, Quick, Patrick, Blueger and Hill and/or Brossoit.

        You now have $8,512, 516.

        You now have money to buy out Lehner if you can’t trade him or get someone to pick him up on waivers or waive his contract for some conduct violations (slime chance), plus pay the RFA’s who played enough NHL games to get a NHL contract and “maybe” enough money left ($2,000-$4,000) to pick up to an “elite ” goalie with that 2-4 million and the 4 million you didn’t get to spend on Hill or Brossoit.

        You’re welcome.

        74
        Bruins fan (1963-1967) Pittsburgh had no team
        Penguins fan (1967-2017) Fleury/Jagr fan
        VGK fan the DAY they took Fleury in expansion draft
        B.S. in ECONOMICS (Liars will figure, but figures do not lie)

      • John Brown

        Available cap space left WITH Lehner’s $5,000,000 AAV is $3,462,516 based on $83,500,000 2023-2024 Cap space maximum limit according to Cap Friendly.

        ALL the Unrestricted Free Agents of Howden, Barbashev, Brossoit, Hill, Patrick, Quick, Kessel and Blueger EQUALS $15,300,00 available cap space IF they were ALL were to leave.

        That means we HAVE $18,762,516 TOTAL to sign who and when.

        $4,000,000/year for Barbashev for (3) years carries him ONE year past Marchy’s UFA date.

        $4,000,000/yr for Hill OR Brossoit for (4) years. Do they want to win another Cup or go for the money with a non Cup contender. The present theory is Colorado, Montreal, Boston, Avalanche, Oilers, Dallas, Florida and VGK are the front runners. NON of those 7 teams needs a 1A or 1B goalie. If neither stays, there are (10) UFA goalies ages 24-27 with $4,000,000 AAV and similar stats. They are NOT the only good $4,000,000 goalies out there on the market

        $2,500,000/yr for (3) years for Howden. Stephy/Stone think highly of him. He is a 200′ player.

        You now have spent $10,250,000 of the $18,762, 516 and now have 2 very good young forwards and a battle tested 1A/1B goalie for at least THREE years.

        The cap money already allocated for next year also includes Cotter, Thompson and Hutton already.

        Say good bye to Kessel, Quick, Patrick, Blueger and Hill or Brossoit.

        You now have $8,512, 516.

        You now have money to buy out Lehner if you can’t trade him or get someone to pick him up on waivers or waive his contract for some conduct violations (slime chance).

        Plus enough to pay the RFA’s who played enough NHL games to get a NHL contract and “maybe” enough money left ($2,000-$4,000) to pick up to an “elite ” goalie with that 2-4 million and the 4 million you didn’t get to spend on Hill or Brossoit.

        AND remember, Vegas has a 97 cost of living index (100 is average). Every team except Florida/Dallas (no state income tax) is going to have a COLI in the 125 to 150 range.

        To live like a Vegas $4,000,000 player, you will need $5,000,000 in other places except Florida/Texas. IF VGK Chief Financial Officer does not explain that to Barbashev, Hill, Brossoit and Howden, they failed to do due diligence for the organization

        You’re welcome.

        74 years old
        Bruins fan (1963-1967) Pittsburgh had no team
        Penguins fan (1967-2017) Fleury/Jagr fan
        VGK fan the DAY they took Fleury in expansion draft
        B.S. in ECONOMICS (Liars will figure, but figures do not lie)

  2. Brian Schroeder

    you gotta give Hill the nod after what he just accomplished,
    he’s earned it by being feisty and helping them win the cup ,
    keep Thompson as backup and dump Lehner ( if you can )
    let Quick go too .

  3. Hey Jesse, this is a great article. I believe we should try to go after Carter Hart in Philadelphia under the system. I believe that Carter will flourish here and he’s only 24. It looks like that brossoit will sign in Winnipeg after Hellebuyck leaves .I believe that Aiden Hill will take his money and run as some team is going to offer him 4/ 5 million. Maybe package Reilly Smith, a prospect and a number one for Carter and a Flyer prospect . We should also try to sign Barbie … dude is nails ! Better then any skill set Reilly has . I’m

    • Richie-Rich

      Hello Vegas Ron from VGKKIRE! You know who I am.

      I like your thought process on Carter Hart. I also agree on Smith (C+), but I would not package Dorofeyev or Pachal with that trade. Keeping Barbashev should be the #1 objective. But, I am of the opinion that the VGK can win with any combination of the goaltenders currently on the club. I would be surprised if the Flyers are entertaining moving Hart though. But, hey, maybe we should get the expert opinion of Joshua Grantz (LOL)!

      Turns out that Lehner and Patrick were two major busts.

      I think we’ve seen the end of the road for Kessel as well.

  4. Chris

    Lets start with the premise that one of two G spots is taken by the extremely valuable and cheap LT. That leaves one G spot open between 4 candidates. My suspicion (and I am not an insider like you are) is that:
    (1) FO believes that this is a system result and not a goalie specific result as shown by LB doing just fine before going down (5-2). They jettisoned a future HOF/ Vezina/ co-Jennings winner (proverbial face of franchise) over money. They are no more loyal to any of the guys in that room today over money.

    (2) VGK allows LB and AH to test the open market and that both of them get big raises other places that VGK will not match (including LB going back to Winnipeg if Jets can move Hellebuyck).

    (3) Quick is a great mentor but needs an uncrowded room if he is going to continue his career; that is not Vegas. There is no more breath wasted on him UNLESS RL remains hurt and Vegas wants a cheap mentor/backup for LT (Keyword: cheap).

    (4) That leaves a healthy RL and LT as your goalies next year. I read all of the stories of RL is a cancer and persona non grata and people want him bought out but he is a $6M salary ($5M cap hit) that is going to be difficult to move. How many times have GMKM traded a player and retained salary? They dont do it. McCrimmon bragged last week after the Cup that their model is “We don’t have any dead money.” If RL retires, his money can be allocated between another G and Barbashev. But if RL comes back and is healthy, I think he is in net.

    • Jeff

      They won’t see the Cup again if Lehner returns. Period. Watch how this ages!

    • goalie trade

      bull. Lehner needs to be cap dumped just like Fleury was.

      Hill is better than Lehner any day of the week, as he demonstrated with his occasional acrobatic unbelievable saves, which Lehner does not and cannot provide. not to mention the very important locker room role of Hill who is well liked by his teammates, unlike mr. controversy distraction baggage of RL

    • Emmanuel

      If hes still an NHL G, keep Lehner, if hes not buy him out and get a cheap backup. If they throw money at Hill its the end of the franchise. NEVER waste money on a goalie!

  5. JT

    They don’t win the cup imo if that snake farmer was their goalie. Dude is a dark cloud of energy and their awesome chemistry would not have been what it is was. Got to get rid of him no matter what.

  6. TS

    My concern about LT is his I jury is STILL undisosed. still undetermined return. Coach has deflected all questions. Is the injury so serious, so long- term, that he stays unavailable or unreliable?

  7. Here’s my take on the goalie situation:

    I viewed Hill as a backup to Thompson before he got hurt…just someone to give Logan a break and not screw up…obviously coming from the Sharks he was viewed as at best average and not as a starter by any means….his playoff perfrormance was phenomenal notwithstanding the defensive scheme Cassidy drew up for the whole squad Hill was a rock star and stud!!…Is he worth 4-5 million dollars for VGK…i think not….he might take a home team disountish to sty here…but i actually see him signing with the Oilers…lets also not forget he was hurt for 2 months this year as well.

    Brossoit is a more likely candidate to be signed …yes he was hurt as well…and yes he is older than Hill…but I believe he is a better fit and suited to be with VGK than is Hill and he also will be cheaper.

    Lehner is not and never will be our netminder…there is no law about going bankrupt that can cause a team to ‘fire him’…but fraud is a felony and an out for VGK to utilize the ‘moral turpitude’ clause that is in every players contracts to be able to terminate him with cause and thus save that $ million salary cap hit!!!

    Lets not also forget the Jiri played well in his brief time with VGK….i think we will be just fine with Logan Laurent and Jiri long term.

  8. Henderson One

    Lehner is a cancer to this team and must not return.

    • THE hockey GOD

      HO
      RL was not a cancer to the team, he was well liked in the locker room. So many commenters here posting their usual bull shit.

      The telling sign , and the elephant in the room is RL WAS NOT PRESENT IN VEGAS at all during the finals or celebrations. Does that mean he’s a cancer no! RL
      probably was avoiding a process server ! But it speaks volumes that he still didn’t
      come to VEGAS, that is on him. Not on “being a cancer”.

      Try to get it right.

      most unsophisticated forum in history of sports.

      • Sorvino

        I agree with the hockey God, 1000%. I don’t think he should be insulting other people, and calling them unsophisticated, but I do agree with his opinion. I don’t want Lehner on this team next year. They just have much better options. Maybe he will stay on LTIR. The hockey God completely get it right by saying, “ The telling sign , and the elephant in the room is RL WAS NOT PRESENT IN VEGAS at all during the finals or celebrations. Does that mean he’s a cancer no!”. Lehner and the front office are obviously done with each other.”

        I keep trying to figure out how good Adin Hill is. How much does he benefit from the teams style of play? It took me a while to formulate my opinion, but I finally made a decision and that was the final game of the playoffs. Vegas was sloppy in the first seven minutes and Florida had some amazing chances and Hill stopped all of them, allowing the team to get going and win the cup at home and game five. Of all the times to come up big he always did. I think he is a late bloomer, and I see him as a 1A who complain about 40 games and provide a save percentage of around .915.

        In fact, isn’t that what he did this year?

      • Emmanuel

        RL is not a cancer, he calls out the corrupt system and its old boy network, thats why he got the bad rep. I dont blame players for not speaking out cause most of them have 5-10 years to make big money but I do despise the brown nosers and every team has em….theyre usually the guys who hang around way past their expiration date as a reward and then immediately get franchise jobs…..theyre the worst thing about the NHL.

      • Jojo0419

        100% disagree.. R.L. gave off negativity every time he stepped on the ice. He was far from well liked, he was tolerated, because as a team, that’s what you do. The moral turpitude clause is a get out of jail free card for VGK. Theft, probably cruelty to animals, whatever else may be under the rocks, they’re not saying, but it’s more than enough to cut ties with probably the worst pick up for the VGK in our short history.
        On to the others. Last camp, L.T. was the best performer , hands down over L.B.. But when L.B. did play, solid as a rock. You gotta sign Hillsy, and let the three of them come to camp and perform for the job. With third place being first place in Henderson, which isn’t a bad gig either. Then you have a tried and true starter for you emergency call up, when you need it. And knowing us , and goalies, that may be game one.
        I cannot believe since season one, the luck or goaltenders have been having as far as injuries go. Didn’t we lose like the in a two week period season one?? I believe we did. Anyways, just my op.
        GKG

      • Jojo0419

        100% disagree.. R.L. gave off negativity every time he stepped on the ice. He was far from well liked, he was tolerated, because as a team, that’s what you do. The moral turpitude clause is a get out of jail free card for VGK. Theft, probably cruelty to animals, whatever else may be under the rocks, they’re not saying, but it’s more than enough to cut ties with probably the worst pick up for the VGK in our short history.
        On to the others. Last camp, L.T. was the best performer , hands down over L.B.. But when L.B. did play, solid as a rock. You gotta sign Hillsy, and let the three of them come to camp and perform for the job. With third place being first place in Henderson, which isn’t a bad gig either. Then you have a tried and true starter for you emergency call up, when you need it. And knowing us , and goalies, that may be game one.
        I cannot believe since season one, the luck our goaltenders have been having as far as injuries go. Didn’t we lose like three in a two week period season one?? I believe we did. Anyways, just my op.
        GKG

        • Richie-Rich

          None of those 3 can go to Henderson without exposing them to the waiver wire. You can only keep 2, it’s either Thompson & Hill or Thompson & Brossoit. Hill’s asking number will be the deciding factor as to which one stays.

  9. Stoner is God!

    The team dumb enough to sign Lehner to a long term deal is the VGK. Buy out his contract cut our losses. A $1.6 million hit for 4 years is manageable.

  10. Fuzzerson

    with this system we only need a Shooter Tutor

  11. Richie-Rich

    Keep Hill and Barbashev or not? I hear the CAP is going up to $83.5? Ken?

    It’s the end of the line for Smith and Kessell. Will Martinez have another year in him? I hope so.

    Deal with the Lehner contract.

    We are probably saying goodbye to Brossoit. I mean come on, Hill earned a spot here. Can we sign him for $4 or $4.5? We will need to make some CAP space for Barbashev as well. We might be able to keep him for $5.

    Some tough decisions need to be made. But I feel good about this team going forward even if we can’t make these deals. Hill and Thompson, or Brossoit and Thompson, even Thompson and Quick should work if we keep the same defensive 6 next year. I am not too worried about the goaltending other than what to do with Lehner.

    If we fail to get Barbashev, I also won’t be too upset. Cotter is a similar type player with less experience. Dorofeyev is also ready to make the jump to the NHL. On defense Pachal appears ready to provide some depth as well when needed.

    We’re good.

    2024 REPEAT.

    • VGK Fan

      RR,

      Why would we get rid of Smith he only makes $5mil and is a 200 foot player who shutdown the best weapons of every team we faced in the playoffs. Who, also scored 26 goals this year.

      I guess if you looking to add draft capital he would be player any GM would love to have.

      • Richie-Rich

        VGK Fan, I am looking at his overall production, and certainly his age is a factor. Barby is 4 years younger and had a noted impact in the playoffs that cannot be denied. I am not saying Smith has no value. He does. If there is team willing to take him, what might we get in terms of draft picks or prospects for it, plus keeping Barby. Cotter and Dorofeyev are both young and are also ready for the NHL. Sure, the emotional decision is to keep one of the original misfits. Keeping Barby is an upgrade in both production and youth. I do believe that Smith’s brother plays for the Devils?

  12. Jailbird

    My hope on Lehner is they can void his contract for the fraud thing. But can they? Probably not. If he can play, then he either plays here or is traded. I don’t know if any body else would want him. One thing for sure, if he come back and plays here, he will be hated by the fans. I hope he doesn’t ever play here again! More important to me is signing Barby and even Howden. The goalie situation will work it self out.

    • EJ

      The Sharks managed to sidestep / dump Evander Kane and his shenanigans. The league may not have a leg to stand on with Lehner’s contract, if he’s proven guilty.

    • THE hockey GOD

      @JB hated by fans ?? Pretty extreme. RL played well for Vegas. He outplayed MAF for most part. Hate him because he was injured ? That is a stretch.

      Just another unsophisticated clueless post.

      RL is a well liked team mate, he is a team player, unlike MAF.

      His legal woes have nothing to do with team , that is personal matter.

      • Thg – did RL hire you for his agent – come on all your doing is being argumentative. How can you post he was well liked by the team, that is no better than those that post he’s cancer. Are e you in the room I guess not. You post like you have inside knowledge and there are some posters on here that fall for your line of BS hook line and sinker. Stay out of the sun its causing you to be delusional.

        • THE hockey GOD

          hd
          “Thg – did RL hire you for his agent ”

          No.

          “You post like you have inside knowledge”
          I do.

          “there are some posters on here that fall for your line of BS hook line and sinker. Stay out of the sun its causing you to be delusional.”

          I stay out of sunshine , it dries out my pearly white skin, wrinkles, and can cause skin cancer.

          Name one player on RL many teams that ever said he wasn’t a team player. RL own words on his team mates says he is team player. RL did not complain at all when coach alternated him with MAF. He even KNEELED with fellow team mates, which I could not appreciate. But that doesn’t make him a cancer.

          His personal life outside of hockey. That is another story.

  13. Richie-Rich

    Howden is a keeper. He is still young and showed a lot of progress this season under Cassidy.

  14. DocDG

    I am a not a rules expert so various websites are confusing me about the cap hit for buying out Lehner. Cap Friendlay says it is 4 years at 1, 750,000 each and I have seen that on various posts.

    But Spotrak and abother site show it as:
    23/24 $ 750,000
    24/25 $ 2,750,000
    25/26 $ 1,275,000
    26/27 $ 1,275,000

    It is the same total but a million dollar relief the tight cap for next season would be helpful.
    Any rules experts here who know which one is right?

    • DocDG

      OOPS the last 2 numbers should have been $1,750,000.
      Sorry about that

      • THE hockey GOD

        Doc
        I think you are correct, not sure about 23/24 numbers , I think they are around 1.75MM

  15. Jim

    fact…..Hill and Barbashev were INSTRUMENTAL to the VGK playoff run.

    the Eichel line would not be the same without Barbashev. his board work and big hits and reverse hits were very important every game. opening up space for his linemates. the Vgk scored more even strength goals, 25, with Barbashev on the ice than any one on the team.

    and Hill was incredible even when the d broke down….
    Hill finished the postseason with an 11-4 record along with a 2.17 goals-against average, .932 save percentage and two shutouts. He finished first in goals saved above average (12.4) and second behind Bobrovsky with 13.13 goals saved above expected. Hill was in the running for the Conn Smythe, and there’s no way Vegas would have reached the finish line without his extraordinary play.

    Hill became the first goalie in NHL history to win 10 playoff games without playing in the first round.

    both must be re-signed. there is no back to back if you let your key playoff performers walk

    • Richie-Rich

      I do agree Jim. The priority should be to keep Barbashev. I would like to see Hill stay, he has thrived under this coaching staff. Will he take a bit of a haircut compared to what he can get elsewhere? Who knows? I would like to see him stay for $4M. Barbashev is a UFA as well and he is well worth the same that Smith is getting $5M per year. He’s also several years younger, I think 27 versus Smith at 31 or 32.

      The CAP is going up to $83.5 (or maybe more). If Stone remains in the lineup the CAP will still be tight.

      I think it is quite possible to get it done, but Lehner throws a wrench into the works and I don’t know how the front office untangles that cluster fuck.

      • Jim

        RL can be easily traded just like Fleury was. nothing comes back to the Knights except cap space…a return to Chicago could be possible if they are not on the NTC list of RL. Hawks would reach the cap floor, and then they would deal him at the March deadline for more picks.

        RL has a modified no trade list of 5 teams beginning with this summer…That means there are 26 teams to dump him to.

        • Jim

          agents for R Lehner= Newport sports mgmt

          Newport clients on VGK=
          clients Phil Kessel, Keegan Kolesar, Robin Lehner, Alex Pietrangelo, Mark Stone, and Shea Theodore .

          agent for Adin Hill = Gerry Johansson

          Johansson is agent for 4 similar veteran goalies who make between 3.4 to 3.8 mill
          including Vanecek NJ and Georgiev Col

          agent for Barbashev , UNFORTUNATELY, is Dan Milstein

          Milstein is more of a money grubber, more willing to move the player to a different team type, and he already made a comment that is not VGK friendly. He said 3 days ago, “Look, he really enjoyed his time in Vegas. I’m sure at some point in time here we will talk to them (VGK). He would love to stay, but I don’t know if they can afford the market.”

          • THE hockey GOD

            @Jim I don’t see RL returning.
            And I hope he doesn’t pull a MAF and say he’s retiring, diminishing his trade value. Then decides to play anyway.

            Either way , with an abundance of ghoulies, it’s a good position for the franchise to be in.

        • Dump him to – that’s a stretch if no one wants him at any price including free and that would not be surprising unfortunately. He doesn’t exactly have a sterling resume despite the BS Vegas FO peddled when they acquired him –

          • THE hockey GOD

            HD
            some teams may use cap space, like VGK did to acquire players who never played for them.

            IT will be interesting to see how this plays out.

          • Joe Frank

            Mark Stone needs a great player in for him on line 1. Thus VGK needs an Ivan Barbashev or Top Notch First Liner to Contend again for The Cup.

        • LisaR

          Will another team want RL? Aside from the fact that he’s had all kinds of problems he also has had a serious injury and been out a long time.

    • TS

      Absolutely, jim!!

    • Joe Frank

      Mark Stone needs a great player in for him on line 1. Thus VGK needs an Ivan Barbashev or Top Notch First Liner to Contend again for The Cup.

    • TS

      Jim, agreed.

  16. knights fan in minny

    adian and logan plain and simple

  17. JV

    My biggest concern is if Lehner does come back, there will be no repeat. There is a reason teams don’t employ Sumo Wrestlers in goal. 300+ lb. goalies fail.
    Let’s face it, he can’t afford to just retire and give up 10M. If they can’t or won’t terminate, the best case is he stays on LTIR this season, then buyout next season when his base is lower or a trade. Who knows, maybe he does retire and he’s made goalie coach in Savannah for his buyout amount?
    As great as Hill was, he priced himself out of Vegas. I believe after being injured more than not, Brossiot can be brought back < 2.5 M. The team doesn't have any players they can just give away for a used jockstrap and a bag of pucks this time.

    • THE hockey GOD

      @JV
      Hill and LT are pretty big ghoulies. Gibson of Anaslime is a big goalie, and he’s a winner too.

      • JV

        Hill is listed at 202 lb, Brossoit 204, Gibson 215. Lehner it says 240, but I would believe all prostitutes are virgins before I’d believe that.

        • JV – love your comparison – now that’s a statement with meaning

        • THE hockey GOD

          240 is closer to 215 than it is to the poster’s absurd 300+ , Gibson and Bishop are also big goalies who have had success in NHL.

          What are virgins ?

    • B-Rad-Lee

      VGK can wait until Lehner is medically cleared to play and then place him on waivers. There is almost no chance that another team will claim him without knowing how well he will be able to play after his surgeries. (In the very unlikely case that that happened, the claiming team would own his contract and he would be completely off the VGK book). After clearing waivers, Lehner could be assigned to Henderson, with a residual cap hit of $1,175,000. Someone would have to go LTIR, probably Stone.

      • Richie-Rich

        Yes, I do believe this is the path for RL. I think you are right on Stone. I doubt he will play 82 games this coming season. The challenge, in my mind, is how to fit Barbashev into the lineup while remaining under the Cap. We will be fine without Barby, but he’s just 27 and I would like to see him on the top line for the next 5 years with Eichel. Marchy is 31 and likely has 2 or 3 good years left in him before time catches up with him. I like both Cotter and Dorofeyev as well.

        This team is golden for the next 3 to 5 years. How many cups might they win? Well, we hope at least 2 or 3!

  18. B-Rad-Lee

    Lehner: VGK can wait until Lehner is medically cleared to play and then place him on waivers. There is almost no chance that another team will claim him without knowing how well he will be able to play after his surgeries. (In the very unlikely case that that happened, the claiming team would own his contract and he would be completely off the VGK book). After clearing waivers, Lehner could be assigned to Henderson, with a residual cap hit of $1,175,000. Someone would have to go LTIR, probably Stone.

    According to AFP Analytics, the other GK’s have the following value:
    Hill: 2 years @ $3,336,660
    Brossoit: 1 year @ $1,483,062
    Quick: 1 year @ $1,290,672

    source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y8djdJG5PBDpRBge1_g2w4llcwUjSYqKlMlccVN58Hk/edit#gid=0

    None of these GK’s can be moved to the HSK without waiving them. So the question becomes, which of the 5 GK’s do you hang on to?

    Lehner: NO – above

    Quick: NO – Mike McKenna believes Quick to be a liability. I agree.
    Listen to the Goalie Interference from March 2: https://sinbin.vegas/goalie-interference-season-2-episode-22-march-2nd-2023/

    Hill:, yes, if he can agree to the 2*$3.4M. If he wants more, syonara. There is one thing VGK can give him that no other team can: A chance at a second Cup.

    Thompson/Brossoit: We can keep only one of these. My preference would be Thompson.

    If we cannot keep Hill, the we go with Thompson/Brossoit.

    • Richie-Rich

      Wow, if Hill signs for $3.4m (2yrs) that would be a steal. I believe he’s going to be offered 4 to 4.5. Even the lack of an income tax isn’t going to make up for that much. If he does sign for that, I doubt he will commit to more than 1 year. I think it is going to take a minimum of $4m (2yrs).

  19. THE hockey GOD

    all these wagon jumpers are delirious “yeah yeah yeah, sign hill , they gotta sign hill”
    And if they don’t they will blame the FO/ownership.

    Most delirious posters ever.

    PS I don’t see Hill going to Oilers unless they give him well over 5 million a year to overcome the silly socialist, neofascists in Canada.

    • Sorvino

      The Hockey God. That is funny. I am Canadian but I still think that is funny.

      Adin Hill is Canadian. Doesn’t that automatically make him a socialist neofascist person. Wouldn’t he be at home playing in Edmonton. Am I automatically a socialist neofascist person? I don’t think any of these players give a shit about politics. A player will go wherever his wife wants to go or where he has a better tax situation, better weather, better schools for their kids, competitive team, or just whoever offers the best contract.

      • THE hockey GOD

        @Sorvino
        Thank you for the insightful reply.

        “Doesn’t that automatically make him a socialist neofascist person” no, a country’s government doesn’t define every single persons individual identity.
        No you are not automatically a socialist, or neofascist. Unless you voted for those policies in first place, then shame on you ! A lot of players do give a shit, and a lot of players’ wife do, because it impacts their bottom line and how much retained money they retain. That is one main reason why a lot of players do not like playing in Canada. “Where he has a better tax situation”. you hit nail on head, and that is certainly not Canada. The “best contract” is not always the “better tax situation”. The rest of the considerations you list are important too.

        Adin Hill is not married, and doesn’t have any children; as far as it is known.

        Have a nice day

    • Richie-Rich

      I like Hill. I do, not just for his playoff run, but because he is 3 or 4 years younger than Brossoit. I don’t believe that goaltending is an issue for us. I believe we could win with Thompson and Quick if it comes down to that.

      I do like Barbashev and the hope is that we can find a way to sign him without having too much cap damage. Hutton also showed that he is a good fit here in Vegas. He’s young and fits the system. I believe he might be RFA but not positive.

  20. vgk21

    proposal:

    NHL incentive for teams to win=

    cap should be 83.5 for non-playoff teams
    85 for playoff finishers 16-5
    86 for 4 and 3 finishers
    87 for cup final loser
    90 for cup winner

    • THE hockey GOD

      @VGK21
      interesting concept, purely anti socialism and based upon performance.

      Problem is for low market teams who win the cup and will never get to the salary cap in first place because they don’t want to spend the money. They will have extra cap space to work with.

      I don’t expect the neofascist, woke broke, Bettman and company to go for something like this. Because 1) it makes sense 2) it rewards performance.3) it doesn’t promote the ‘let’s give everybody a fair chance because we are all a village (people) league that promotes the ABC (fill in the blank) agenda”

  21. Pistol Pete

    So much has to do with whether Lehner can remain on LTIR. If he does they can re-sign Hill or Brossoit with Hill being the top choice because he’s younger at least as good but probably more expensive. Another choice is to put faith in Patera as the back-up and save the salary of a Hill ir Brossoit. Have Sean Burke go to work on him. Risky probably but less so if Burke green lights it.

    • THE hockey GOD

      better to spend money on Sean Burke, the goalie coach, to keep performing his magic then on goalies who are 1) flash in pan 2) prone to injury 3) can make more money going elsewhere.

    • Sorvino

      Pistol Pete,

      That’s an interesting point about Jiri Patera. However, the problem with this would be that the other goalie would play about 60 games.

      I think that Logan Thompson, Laurent Brossoit and Adin Hill aren’t durable enough to play that many games. As we have seen when they play long stretches, they seem to get hurt.

  22. VGK Fan

    Bettman, speaking on the last day of the NHL general managers meetings, said the cap could increase by about $4.5 million, instead of $1 million, if hockey-related revenues for the rest of this season exceed the current projections, allowing the remaining escrow debt owed by the players to the owners to be paid in full.

    Ken, is there any chance the cap will increase more than $1 million projection.

  23. THE hockey GOD

    con’d

    Toshiba plaza only holds about 7000 people, they maybe fit in a few extras. Per code. The streets were lined about 12 deep.

    This crowd was no where near NYE crowd size. And I have been on the Strip during NYE when 400,000 people attended.

    I would estimate the total size of round 30,000 to 70,000 people. 100k as an extreme outlier

    Part of problem of low crowd size is that only a portion of strip was open for the parade route.

    Unlike NYC and other parades back east, where they DO GET 100,000 people in which the parade route is extended and people are 20, 30 and 40 deep along the parade route. .

  24. Slammer

    Goalie trade. Your dead right. Blackhawks moved him to us knowing that Crawford was retire & that spoke volumes! He’s a turtle on his back garbage on breakaway and head case ! Move him even with a draft pik & dump 5 mil and see What hill agent does ! Neimi on hawks won cup and it’s because of D in front of him . Same goes for Hill ! Sweden is stocked with goalies. The hawks I think r grabbing barbashev. There 32 mil cap space is huge. So Dump fat boy 5 mil and get hill and have Petro talk to Tarasenko to play for less and your done ! I go get best goalie Available in Sweden to be back up 3rd string

  25. MW

    Lehner is trash.

  26. Sorvino

    The Hockey God, I think you are doing the math better than most people here. You can’t just sign Barbashev and Hill without subtracting Martinez and Lehner. In a hard cap system you have to make smart decisions. What if Hill is offered 5,000,000+ from another team? Do you offer him 6 million instead of giving Brossoit about 2 million. Most fans would say yes but we know he is not 300% better than Brossoit. We have the best front office in the league and they will likely make the right decisions. If it were up to the fans, MarcAndre Fleury would still be here, and Nate Schmidt would not have been traded to clear space for Alex Pietrangelo. THG, don’t get upset or critical of our fellow fans being passionate and saying things that may be a little unreasonable. Fans just love these guys.

    This front office is ruthless and will make decisions based on logic and not emotion. That’s why they are the best. Another player that would still be here if it was up to the fans is Ryan Reaves.

    Don’t be shocked if Jonathan Marchessault was traded. I don’t think it will happen, but it wouldn’t shock me. I love Marchy, and he deserved the Conn Smythe. An emotional fan’s response would be for him to never leave and have a statue of him put in front of the arena. Probably what they wanted done for Marc-André Fleury.

    A logical fan or front office type may think of trading Marchessault “if” they had to shed cap space. He’s a bit older, and is a one dimensional player. That’s not a criticism and his one dimension is scoring, which is the most important thing.

    My opinion…….

    They do everything they can to keep Barbashev, but their offer won’t be good enough as another team offers him significantly more. Also, the cost to keep him would be to trade Martinez. We all love martini. He is an old guy with an injury history, and perhaps very hard to trade at this point. Also, Martinez is still very good.

    As for Adin Hill, this one is a bit harder to handicap. TS, made a good point that Brossoit has durability issues. They may have to keep hill and just overpay.

    • Richie-Rich

      Sorvino,

      Good analysis. If it were up to me I would focus all of my effort on finding a way to keep Barbashev at age 27. He’s a top line forward. Instead of trading Marchy, I would trade Smith. Martinez will be back for the last year on his contract at 5.25m. So, I doubt he’s going anywhere. He is a leader on defense and I think he will be on the roster.

      L1 Barbashev, Eichel, Marchy would cost $20million if Ivan takes $4 million to remain in Vegas. It’s a haircut compared to what he can get elsewhere but again Nevada has no income tax.

      L2 Stone, Karlsson, Amadio would cost $16,162,500 million.

      L3 Howden, Stephenson, Dorofeyev would cost $5,175,000 million

      L4 Kolesar, Roy, Carrier would cost $5,800,000 million

      That’s $47,135,500 million for the skaters

      D1 Pietrangelo and Martinez $14,450,000
      D2 Theodore and Whitecloud $7,950,000
      D3 Hague and McNabb $5,144,500

      That’s 27, 144,150 for the Defensive 6

      G1 Hill (if he will take $4,000,000)
      G2 Thompson $766,666

      That’s $4,766,666

      The three scratches on the roster of 23 players”
      S1 Cotter (C) $775,000
      S2 Hutton (D) $850,000
      S3 Pachal (D) $750,000

      That’s $2,375,000 on the scratch list

      The above roster keeps VGK slightly more than $2 million under the Cap of $83.5million. Note that I have traded Reilly Smith in this scenario. They likely can keep Smith if the let Hill go and deal with Lehner, Kessel and Quick.

      Lots of options for the FO. They are in a much better place roster wise than I thought they’d be before the beginning of last season.

      If the Cap is $85million? Then a lot more options open up. I wonder when we might hear what the numbers will be?

      • Sorvino

        Sounds good. Someone would have to go and it could be Really Smith

    • TS

      …and LT’s uncertain condition and return is another BIG question mark. What IS his condition? What was his exact injury? Coach won’t comment.

    • THE hockey GOD

      Sorvino

      The problem with a franchise AFTER they win the cup, is that they keep too many of the old players when they really should dump them.

      Then the fans get angry when they keep the old players for sentimental reasons.

      Hopefully the FO will do with what is best for long term interest of the franchise. They were in similar situation after their first year, and they decided to shed the team of many well liked players (Haula, schmidt, the real deal Neal, englander, perron, MAF,etc.). Hopefully they won’t become attached to these players just because they won championship. When they shed the fans will become emotional and upset.

      How many fans here really think they would have won SC if MAF was in the nets against the pussycats ? Only die hard MAF fans. Methinks.

      MArty has really slowed down, he can still block shots. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this upcoming year is his last season. On other hand being injury prone helps VGK develop younger D men. Then again on other hand Gordie Howe played into his 50s.

      • Richie-Rich

        Still laser focused on MAF I see! I think he was the one who actually shit in your wheaties. But, the rest of your post is good. Just to be clear, Lehner was the worst move this FO has made in the past 6 years. We would have been just fine with Thompson in net and Fleury spotting him. (METHINKS).

        – Marchy? Still has legs and is a keeper. This isn’t a sentimental keeper.
        – Karlsson? Hasn’t been able to repeat year 1 production, but he’s a 200ft player who did bring the production during the playoffs. He’s a keeper.
        -Smith? A 200ft player that was mostly invisible. I thought that the FO should have traded him instead of giving him an extension. We now have him on the roster through the 2024-2025 season.
        -McNabb? Still a solid defenseman and understand his role within the system. He’s signed through the 2024-2025 season as well. At $2.85m he’s not going anywhere unless we consider a trade after this next season is over. Pachal looks to be ready to come up.
        -Theodore? Also signed through the 2024-2025 season. He’s making $5.25m and that is the right price. He’s only 28 years old. He’s not going anywhere. He’s getting paid well and I would bet that he resigns for another 3 or 5 years at the same salary when this contract is up.

        That’s it for the current misfits. Moving Smith and Lehner off the CAP will provide opportunity to sign Barbashev and possibly Hill. If we sign Hill, fine. If not, I believe goaltending will be fine regardless of who is paired with Thompson (Brossoit or even Quick).

        • VGK Fan

          RR,

          Great breakdown I would just like to add you left out one misfit.

          William Carrier, who had his best season yet with 16 goals in only 56 games while making only $1.4 million on the last year of a 4 year deal and he is only 28 years old.

          • Richie-Rich

            VGK Fan. I think Carrier might have been in Chicago in year 1? I would have to look it up. In any case, Carrier is a bargain and he’s a great grinder. He’s a keeper for sure.

          • TS

            Carrier is our Warrior! Sure wish he’s perfect that ” wrap- around goal from behind the net, though. He’s so close, think he made one or two…

      • Richie-Rich

        Let’s discuss RL. He’s never stuck anywhere he has landed.

        Ottawa 2014-2017
        Buffalo 2017-2018
        Islanders 2018-2019
        Chicago 2019-2020
        VGK 2020-

        This roll of the dice by the FO crapped out. Was he cancer? Who knows. Five different NHL clubs in 9 years now. It’s about time to call this career over.

        • JV

          As an long time Islanders fan, Lehner was loved by the fans on Long Island. He credits them with literally saving his life. He has a tattoo of Long Island on his neck as appreciation of his time there. I have no idea what happened with the negotiations after that season. Lou Lamoriello offered him a deal, then < 48 hours later pulled it and signed the Putin Lover Varlamov to a 4 year deal. We will never know as Lou has the biggest Cone of Silence in the NHL

      • Sorvino

        THG, no argument here. It’s the front office job to take sentimentality and emotion out of every decision. I love it when you mention Marc-André Fleury, because that’s a perfect example of the front office doing the right thing and getting rid of him. MAF sealed his fate by that stupid tweet and not being a team player complaining about being the back up. Most fans can’t see that because they loved MAF, and they overlook him being selfish, and that terrible giveaway against Montreal in the semi finals. Again, I will say it 1 million times, I am glad that fans don’t make the decisions. Most fans can’t even admit what an abortion of a goalie that MAF is now. His playoff performance this season was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen. A comedy show. He’s garbage and finished.

        We don’t have crystall balls and if the front office can be right about 60% of the time then your franchise keeps moving forward. I feel like this front office has been right about 85% of the time and it shows in the peak performance and Stanley Cup victory.

        Dadonov and ultimately Lehner were moves that didn’t work. However, Lehner was excellent in the playoffs in the bubble. I also have to agree with you that I have seen zero evidence, literally zero evidence that Lehner was a bad teammate on any of the teams that he ever played with. Perhaps people that want to prove that should provide some evidence. He’s obviously finished on this team now and I support that because they have better options.

        I probably sound boring because I don’t want to complain but I just trust this front office and always have and the evidence shows that they know what they are doing.

        Even though I disagreed with guys like Tim and Richie Rich, I did respect their opinions and I also appreciate that they have both come around to see what a great front office this is.

        Fans say a lot of things that simply aren’t true. I’m still trying to find out what from Sabres fans on what type of cancer that Jack Eichel has. I haven’t seen it.

        • TS

          Sorvino I, wasn’t it MAF’S AGENT that posted that tweet you spoke of? I blame his agent for the bad ending, not so much MAF. And yes, he HAS dropped off the map, really sad for him. He was ready to retire in a year or so in Vegas, he most likely knew he was ready back then. I wish he had just stepped away then, instead of the way it has gone for him since.

  27. THE SNAKE FARMER MUST GO!

    Need I say more?

  28. Lori Thomsen

    This entire subject has just killed my championship BUZZ . This year we saw lots of changes before the season even had a chance to start. Then, we all settled in to a really great team. Some old, some new. We won and we won and then, WE WON THE STANLEY CUP We played wheel of fortune with Goalies and each one was better than the last. Who doesn’t LOVE ❤️ Hill and our team of Champions? We love them. Let’s keep the and grab that Stanley Cup next year, AGAIN! I don’t want to lose a single guy. Period.

    • Richie-Rich

      Best post of the entire thread. Who can argue! If only the cap could be large enough!

  29. If Hill can get 4-5 million from a franchise in need there is nothing we can do but accept it…say thank you for his amazing contributions…and wish him luck with his new team except of course against us in the regular season and playoffs…at that price point we would be vastly overpaying for what had been a journeyman backup…maybe he will prove to be the second coming…but thats quite unlikely!

    Barbashev was certainly worth Zach Dean now wasnt he??….let us not forget he was a 4th line winger with one solid year in his career…he was a revelation with us after he was acquired and obviously thru the playoffs…is he worth 4 plus million a year??…i truly dont believe so…though i love his 1980’s style physicality grit and determination…i see him signing a contract soon for 3.5 million for 4 years…it will make everyone happy!!

  30. Derek

    Dumb article… WE JUST WON THE CUP FFS!

    Here’s the play – no Lehner under any circumstances… He’s not all that good…his mobility is terrible… But, we can’t overpay Hill…Hill at a reasonable raise is good…if not, LT and either a reasonable contract for Broissoit or another 5th stringer type we find…we overpaid Lehner and are getting salary cap burned. We overpaid Eichel but got away with it…so far…we have the bones to run the same skaters system, which protects our goalie, whomever is back there…

    Hill and Broissoit should try to cash in now on the open market…who knows how long a career with last…LT is still cheap…and excellent if healthy. Maybe sign Quick to a cheapo one year deal again too.

    • THE hockey GOD

      not dumb article, very pertinent article. I wish Jason would have posted this.

      This is why baseball is so cool

  31. I’m with you. The thought of LEHNER coming back makes me want to hurl. Even if HILL moves along Thompson and Quick would be great or Thompson and brossoit.
    LEHNER has criminal charges of fraud pending against him….he can play hockey with the prison team at ELY.

  32. THE hockey GOD

    Jack Manning
    @NHLJackManning
    ·
    12h
    Friedman says a team complained to the NHL about Stone’s LTIR.

    “The NHL went hard at Vegas this time, In terms of investigating them and asking for the medical reports on Vegas.”

    Goes on to say Vegas believes that the latest surgery solved the medical problem.

  33. Nancy

    Tough decisions for the Golden Knights for sure regarding the Goalie position. I cant imagine you letting Hill walk, but on the other hand, he wont want to be a back up Goalie, especially after playing a huge role in Winning the Stanley Cup. I imagine nobody wants to be a back up Goalie. After the year he had, he wont even accept being a back up, he would probably want to go to another team and of course we haven’t even got to the money involved, he will want more money and now is his time to get that big contract after the season he had. So now what ! Now what do you do with Brossoit ? You cannot just push him out because of an injury but then again, how bad is his injury, will it have lasting effects, if I’m not mistaken his injury was pretty serious. If you keep one guy and let the other one go and the one you keep ends up not having a good season, you will regret letting the other one walk. I cannot imagine you keep both Goalies, maybe you can and kind of split there duties but the questions is, will the player want this sort of arrangement. Really tough decisions to make for sure. And on top of that you have the chemistry that both goalies has with there teammates. I really don’t know what I would do, I know it will take a lot of time to talk it over and hopefully make the right choice for the team and the player. I wouldn’t want to be in higher managements shoes, cause this decision is a tough one.

    • Richie-Rich

      Thompson isn’t going anywhere, unless of course his injury is more serious. If it is more serious it would be tough to shop him. So, it’s Thompson and a second goaltender. CAP is going up to at least 83.5m, Stone in the lineup eats a lot of CAP. I think the priority is Barbashev.

      I did post some options in this thread yesterday showing how we could keep both Hill and Barbashev.

      • TS

        Really wonder about LT. The team silence is a disturbing question mark. I know teams keep injuries quiet to an extent, but ZERO on LT all this time is troubling. Just how bad was/ is his injury , anyway?

  34. Jailbird

    I’m keeping track of everyone’s predictions. We’ll see who’s right. I’m just going to set back now and watch what happens. Oh, BTW, we are friggin Stanley Cup Champions!

    • Sorvino

      We are Stanley Cup Champions

    • John Brown

      Here you go.

      Available cap space left WITH Lehner’s $5,000,000 AAV is $3,462,516 based on $83,500,000 2023-2024 Cap space maximum limit according to Cap Friendly.

      ALL the Unrestricted Free Agents of Howden, Barbashev, Brossoit, Hill, Patrick, Quick, Kessel and Blueger EQUALS $15,300,00 available cap space IF they were ALL were to leave.

      That means we HAVE $18,762,516 TOTAL to sign who and when.

      $4,000,000/year for Barbashev for (3) years carries him ONE year past Marchy’s UFA date.

      $4,000,000/yr for Hill OR Brossoit for (4) years. Do they want to win another Cup or go for the money with a non Cup contender. The present theory is Colorado, Montreal, Boston, Avalanche, Oilers, Dallas, Florida and VGK are the front runners. NON of those 7 teams needs a 1A or 1B goalie. If neither stays, there are (10) UFA goalies ages 24-27 with $4,000,000 AAV and similar stats. They are NOT the only good $4,000,000 goalies out there on the market

      $2,500,000/yr for (3) years for Howden. Stephy/Stone think highly of him. He is a 200′ player.

      You now have spent $10,250,000 of the $18,762, 516 and now have 2 very good young forwards and a battle tested 1A/1B goalie for at least THREE years.

      The cap money already allocated for next year also includes Cotter, Thompson and Hutton already.

      Say good bye to Kessel, Quick, Patrick, Blueger and Hill or Brossoit.

      You now have $8,512, 516.

      You now have money to buy out Lehner if you can’t trade him or get someone to pick him up on waivers or waive his contract for some conduct violations (slime chance).

      Plus enough to pay the RFA’s who played enough NHL games to get a NHL contract and “maybe” enough money left ($2,000-$4,000) to pick up to an “elite ” goalie with that 2-4 million and the 4 million you didn’t get to spend on Hill or Brossoit.

      AND remember, Vegas has a 97 cost of living index (100 is average). Every team except Florida/Dallas (no state income tax) is going to have a COLI in the 125 to 150 range.

      To live like a Vegas $4,000,000 player, you will need $5,000,000 in other places except Florida/Texas. IF VGK Chief Financial Officer does not explain that to Barbashev, Hill, Brossoit and Howden, they failed to do due diligence for the organization

      You’re welcome.

      74 years old
      Bruins fan (1963-1967) Pittsburgh had no team
      Penguins fan (1967-2017) Fleury/Jagr fan
      VGK fan the DAY they took Fleury in expansion draft
      B.S. in ECONOMICS (Liars will figure, but figures do not lie)

  35. vgk21

    Breaking news—— from Vancouver

    The Athletic’s Thomas Drance and Harman Dayal listed Vegas Golden Knights defenseman Alec Martinez as Vancouver’s top trade target this offseason, should they decide to add to their roster outside of free agency. Martinez is getting up there in age at 35 years old but has just one year left at a relatively affordable $5.25MM cap hit. With Vegas boasting substantial defensive depth and needing additional flexibility to attempt to re-sign Ivan Barbashev, a move to the Canucks could make sense for all parties involved. A left-shot defender, Martinez would essentially replace (and massively upgrade) Ekman-Larsson’s vacated spot on the team at a lesser cap hit.

    ====================================

    looks like they may keep Barbie, and Hill, and replace Marty with E.F. Hutton

    • vgk21

      also—–

      The Vegas Golden Knights’ key bit of business this offseason revolves around the two netminders who helped guide them to the team’s first Stanley Cup: journeymen Adin Hill and Laurent Brossoit. In a massive piece detailing this summer’s goalie market from The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun, both Hill’s and Brossoit’s agents expressed interest in returning to the team on behalf of their clients. Both pending unrestricted free agents, Hill and Brossoit filled in for the injured Logan Thompson down the stretch and in the playoffs, with Hill ultimately going on a miracle run for the last two-and-a-half rounds of the playoffs after Brossoit sustained a lower-body injury. Hill is obviously due a significant raise from his previous $2.175MM cap hit, but LeBrun surmises that Hill knows “they’ve got a good thing going in Vegas” and may not completely maximize the leverage coming from his spectacular playoff performance. Meanwhile, Brossoit’s agent, Ray Petkau, acknowledged it may be tough for the team to retain Brossoit given their crunch at the position, but will continue to remain in contact with Vegas and explore their options.

      • vgk21

        Vegas Golden Knights goaltender Adin Hill’s coming-out party in the playoffs culminated in a Stanley Cup championship, and the pending unrestricted free agent is looking to keep the party going in Sin City.

        “We’re obviously going to give it the big college try to get him signed in Vegas,” Hill’s agent, Gerry Johannson, told The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun. “I think that’s always the goal when a guy likes it in a spot.

        “We’re keeping an eye on everything else, too, but if we can make it work in Vegas, that would be the best thing, right?”

        • TS

          Vgk, great bit of Info on Hill. Seeing him in the red UNLV jersey was a statement: Hill likes Vegas. HOPE.

      • Richie-Rich

        If possible you keep Hill and Thompson. Brossoit is on the north side of 30. But, I do not think the FO is sweating the crease too much. Any combination will work next season, including Thompson/Quick.

    • Sorvino

      vgk21

      I don’t want to say that I don’t believe you, but I don’t believe you. Do you have a link to your source. Why would Vancouver’s top trade target be a 35-year-old regressing defenceman with a long injury history. There’s no way they bought out Oliver Ekman Larsson to add Alec Martinez. I love martini and in Knights fan in minny’s words he definitely is a warrior but come on!!!

      If this is true, then I would volunteer to drive Martinez to the airport. That money could be spent on Barbashev and Adin Hill.

      • Richie-Rich

        I seriously doubt that Martinez will take a trade. He’s 35 and still has another good year left in him. He’s a perfect fit in the VGK system.

        Could it happen? Pachal is ready. They could move Theodore up to line 1 and shuffle the bottom lines adding Pachal to D-line 3. That would free up $5.25m in cap space.

        In makes sense from cost perspective, but if the VGK is looking at a back-to-back then they keep Martinez.

        It makes a lot more sense for Vancouver to go after Erik Karlsson (SJS) even though that is a much higher price tag.

      • vgk21

        it clearly states that it is from 2 Vancouver reporters who cover the Canucks for THE ATHLETIC.

        It is THEIR take on what THEY think the Canucks are going to do this summer.

        it obviously is not any more than that. insider speculation from their perspective.

      • John Brown

        MARTINEZ IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. 8 team no trade clause and I think about 99.5% the Canucks are one of them. Go play your “probably” last NHL year at a non contending Cup team. Nope and nope.

    • Richie-Rich

      Does Martinez have a no trade clause or a list of teams he can turn down? Martinez isn’t going to want to leave. He’s making a healthy $5.25 million right now. He is a key piece of the defense and a shot blocking machine. This is another move that wouldn’t upset me even if it happens.

    • Richie-Rich

      They want us to purchase a subscription. Not going to happen. Can you summarize? Any impact to the VGK?

      • Sorvino

        Here it is……….

        “Over the past month we’ve looked at and ranked top trade targets and unrestricted free agent targets both along the blue line and at third-line centre. Those lists, however, are a bit out of date in the wake of the Ekman-Larsson buyout.

        So we figured we’d expand our scope to account for the newfound possibilities that Canucks general manager Patrik Allvin and company can consider in the weeks ahead. Here are our updated tiers of the top targets in both free agency and on the trade market.

        Three-time Stanley Cup-winning left-handed defenseman Alec Martinez tops our list of offseason targets.

        Vegas is pressed up against the salary cap, has some key free agents to re-sign — including Adin Hill, Brett Howden and perhaps Ivan Barbashev — and Martinez may end up being the odd man out. Though he’s got some limited no-trade protection and wouldn’t be a pure cap dump and will require something meaningful in return to acquire, he’d be an ideal fit on a second pair with Filip Hronek. Martinez would add some much-needed defensive chops to Vancouver’s blue line and some heft and weight in a Canucks dressing room that could use a high-character, top-end player of Marinez’s calibre.”

        • Richie-Rich

          I think this fishing expedition is DOA. No way VGK is going to trade Martinez to a team in their division. Period. Not happening.

  36. Sorvino

    Richie Rich. It’s an opinion piece so the article is not necessarily based on fact. I have a subscription to the athletic, so I will copy and paste for you.

    Over the past month we’ve looked at and ranked top trade targets and unrestricted free agent targets both along the blue line and at third-line centre. Those lists, however, are a bit out of date in the wake of the Ekman-Larsson buyout.

    So we figured we’d expand our scope to account for the newfound possibilities that Canucks general manager Patrik Allvin and company can consider in the weeks ahead. Here are our updated tiers of the top targets in both free agency and on the trade market.

    Three-time Stanley Cup-winning left-handed defenseman Alec Martinez tops our list of offseason targets.

    Vegas is pressed up against the salary cap, has some key free agents to re-sign — including Adin Hill, Brett Howden and perhaps Ivan Barbashev — and Martinez may end up being the odd man out. Though he’s got some limited no-trade protection and wouldn’t be a pure cap dump and will require something meaningful in return to acquire, he’d be an ideal fit on a second pair with Filip Hronek. Martinez would add some much-needed defensive chops to Vancouver’s blue line and some heft and weight in a Canucks dressing room that could use a high-character, top-end player of Marinez’s calibre.

    • Richie-Rich

      Even though he is 35, Martinez has at least one more good year in him. You don’t trade the best shot blocker in the league with a year left on his contract. You keep him and allow him leave after next year.

      Of course, that is my unqualified opinion. But, you never know what this FO will do. They’ve surprised us in the past. Still, Martinez isn’t going to any team in our division and possibly not even in our conference.

  37. vgk21

    Martinez has an 8 team no trade list this summer.

  38. vgk21

    reminder that Nate Schmidt was traded to Vancouver 3 years ago,
    Nate Schmidt signed a 6 year, $35,700,000 contract with the Vegas Golden Knights on Oct. 25, 2018. The contract has a cap hit of $5,950,000……..and still has 2 years to go

    Nate was a flop there, and then got traded after one season to Winnipeg.

    • Richie-Rich

      I am not seeing that on CapFriendly….

      • vgk21

        not seeing what? if you mean the NTC info, next to Martinez name you just hold your cursor over where it says M-NTC, and it tells you that Martinez has an 8 team list for 23-24 season

  39. knights fan in minny

    in all this mess do you guys have phil the thrill and blueger being on the team next year i hope the nolan patrick experiment is over

  40. knights fan in minny

    i would take howden over amadio if it has to happen

  41. To recap:

    Hill….. 3.5 for 4 years max….if not i wish him the best of luck in his future wherever he may land

    Barbashev…..3.5 for 4 years max…he was a dynamo for us…can he actually be worth the money in the future….jury is out

    Lehner…..invoke moral turpitude clause in contract so as to rid ourselves of him and never speak of him again….no video tribute either if he ever returns lol

    Quick and Kessel….3 cups in their careers…on to other venues if not retirement

    The front office has made some momentous decisions in the past…of which we all agree met with distaste at the time but basically they were proven right as to the whys even if handled less than diplomatically

    Schmidt…the right move at the time and now as well

    Stasny…brilliant in getting a taker for that contract!!

    Fleury…it hurt like heck….but the absolute right move to save 7 million

    Reaves….total slam dunk home run to move him

    Pacioretty…..brilliant to move that contract of an oft-injured player who dried up in the playoffs

    Pietrangelo….didnt agree with the signing at all….but he is a warrior and a winner

    Eichel…totally didnt agree with the trade…but wow….he blew me away with his commtment every time he practices and during games

    Jack will be a 40-100 man next year if he plays at least 75 games….mark it down!!

  42. That’s a frightening thought, that the KNIGHTS might give LEHNER a video tribute . Just move him away from this team. I agree with using the moral terpitude cause to free us of him.

  43. Skip

    A lot of people could argue that Lehner’s addition was the start of turbulence for the Knights (his salary pushed a lot of people out afterward and Fleury’s troubles were mostly related to the death of his father). A buyout or trade to a team with cap space is preferable to letting Hill go. Quick and Kessel are also ready to move on, I’m sure. With the emergence of Thompson too, I don’t know why you would bring Lehner back.

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